Question Time
[This is an edited summary of discussions - it is not intended, and should not be seen, as a complete, verbatim transcript]
The Panel:
Julian Bowrey, ODPM Local eGovernment Team
Johan van der Waal, Independent Consultant and Advisor to VIAG
Mary Mallett, Strategic Director, Organisation and Development, Kent County Council and President of SOCPO
Glyn Evans, Head of e-Services, London Borough of Camden and Chair, Socitm Information Age Group
Q: Do you think ID cards will become a reality? Are there realistic opportunities for local authorities to use them as authentication services?
JVDW: We are having the same debate in the Netherlands (as in the UK).
Q: Are there discussions[about identity cards] in the ODPM?
JB: Local authorities are very active in this area, such as the Smartcard National Project - a lot of local authorities are thinking about smartcards - what wll be the impact on them if a national scheme is introduced. There's a lot of big issues for local government that we will need to sort out.
GE: ID cards could support service delivery. We need to strengthen the privacy and data protection legislation - and where is the business case from the citizen's perspective? We don't seem to be addressing this...there is a lack of trust between the public and government and we need to rebuild this. We need to put the citizen in control - a system of consent needs to be in place. People should be getting better services because they have consented.
Q: What is the panel's view of the Regional Broadband Aggregation Bodies?
GE: I'm not sure what take-up will be among local authorities. As I understand it, the DTI initiative delivers just the wires. Time will tell.
MM: In Kent we have had a big broadband initiative, but still several exchanges have not been enabled. I don't know how the DTI initiative can help us there.
JB: My concern is that this is a DTI-driven initiative that doesn't reflect what is happening on the ground - does it fit in with other people's procurement cycles?
JVDW: What are the applications that government uses that need broadband, expect for healthcare? Where is the content?
Q: What does the panel see as the role and responsibilities of Heads of ICT? Does the title hinder progress to the top table? If so, what are the alternatives?
JVDW: We are continuously having that discussion (in the Netherlands) - Is it important to be at the top table?
Q: ... But don't you want to be part of the formation of strategy?
JVDW: You can do that without being at the top table if you have a good relationship with your management. It's about how you manage the relationship in your organisation.
GW: What does a head of ICT do? If its a 'techie-type' role, then I think there's a strong case (for not being part of the top table). If its about supporting a major business change programme, that person needs to be very much engaged. I don't think 'Head of ICT' really sums up what the role does.
MM: When Personnel become HR it became 'strategic'. Those at the top table are people for whom ICT is not second nature - but if you are interested in the business, you can translate and take ICT to help improve services massively.
Q: What happens when the 'e' is taken out of eGovernment?
JB: I think its a very real issue that we in government are thinking about - do we go for another tranche of eGov money or will we deliver more efficient customer service of which 'e' is part of the package. 'E' will become increasingly outdated. If we have a chance of getting money from the Treasury - we need to deliver a return on that investment - are you being more effective and efficient organisations.
JVDW: In the Netherlands we have a new Cabinet which has lost the 'e'. The service delivery questions are coming back - we were focussed on the websites.
Q: With so much information available on government websites, is there sufficient resources to maintain what is already there?
Comment from floor: The information being made available is growing at an exponential rate. We never kept our information up-to-date - it's just more visible now it is on the web. We deal with it by having a devolved network of responsibility (for maintaining the content).
JB: This is what we are trying to address with the Online Government Store. We have so many websites so its no wonder citizens get confused - also the average website is pretty costly, and none of them are run particulary well.
Q: Finance - Year One IEGs suggested huge shoftfalls in the funding need to meet eGov targets. How do we reconcile the gap?
Question to the audience: How many of you feel you won't meet the 2005 targets? (No one volunteers). How many of you believe you will meet the 2005 targets? (Around two or three hands raised).
Comment from the floor: The target has been downgraded - the definition of eGovernment has been relaxed.
JB: The target has not been relaxed - I'm sure it will be achieved, I am more concerned about whether we will see the transformation underpinning it - will we see the benefits in back-office processes. There are many things that government wants to do - the amount going to eGovernment has been a pretty good settlement. Hopefuly the things we are doing will help to bridge the gap between what we want to do.
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